Unwanted grids

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  • NormShea
    Member

    I'm using Canvas PS to create a large map (84" x 42") from our GIS program, MapInfo. The image comes into Canvas and the resolution is good, but some of the large areas of solid colors come out with a grid pattern. This goes away if you zoom way in but at full scale, the grid pattern shows up in the printed version. If you click on the grids, they are individual rectangles. I'm assuming this is something that happens when it does the conversion to a PS file. Is there any way to get it to not create these blocks? It keeps this patterning even when converted to a .jpg or .pdf. A link to an image showing this is here.

    Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

    Norm

    Posted On July 15, 2007 - 02:53 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Norm Shea said:

    I'm using Canvas PS to create a large map (84" x 42") from our GIS program, MapInfo. The image comes into Canvas and the resolution is good, but some of the large areas of solid colors come out with a grid pattern. This goes away if you zoom way in but at full scale, the grid pattern shows up in the printed version. If you click on the grids, they are individual rectangles. I'm assuming this is something that happens when it does the conversion to a PS file. Is there any way to get it to not create these blocks? It keeps this patterning even when converted to a .jpg or .pdf. A link to an image showing this is here.

    Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

    Norm

    Hi Norm,

    You're aware that Canvas w/ GIS+ can import MapInfo files. What is your desired result?

    Posted On July 15, 2007 - 11:38 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • NormShea
    Member

    Canuck the evangelist said:

    Hi Norm,

    You're aware that Canvas w/ GIS+ can import MapInfo files. What is your desired result?

    Suzanne,

    I'm trying to create a .pdf or .jpg that I can take to another location and print on a plotter. I see that Canvas can open MapInfo files but it is a MapInfo workspace, a collection of .tab files.

    Norm

    Posted On July 19, 2007 - 11:48 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Norm Shea said:

    Suzanne,

    I'm trying to create a .pdf or .jpg that I can take to another location and print on a plotter. I see that Canvas can open MapInfo files but it is a MapInfo workspace, a collection of .tab files.

    Norm

    You mean you have a MapInfo workspace that is a collection of .tab files? I'm not following you. I'm pretty sure that Canvas w/GIS+ opens .tab files.

    If you're having difficulty importing the MapInfo data, any chance of exporting to SHP? Enable GIS+ trial and import the SHP.

    Posted On July 19, 2007 - 02:15 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • NormShea
    Member

    Canuck the evangelist said:

    You mean you have a MapInfo workspace that is a collection of .tab files? I'm not following you. I'm pretty sure that Canvas w/GIS+ opens .tab files.

    If you're having difficulty importing the MapInfo data, any chance of exporting to SHP? Enable GIS+ trial and import the SHP.

    Suzanne,

    Yes, a MapInfo workspace, a .wor file, is a collection of MapInfo .tab files that together create the desired map with desired layout properties. An example would be a Roadways.tab, PondEdges.tab, Buildings.tab, PropertyBoundaries.tab. You layer these all together to create the map. You would then save all these open .tab files or layers, with the labeling properties you have set, as a .wor file such as BigMap.wor. But there is no way to export the .wor file, either to Canvas or ArcMap. You can print the .wor file though, so I have been printing that to the Canvas PS and then saving it as a .jpg or .pdf and loading it on the computer that is attached to the plotter. I guess I might be able to allow the "plotter owners" to let me put my computer on their network and print directly from MapInfo after installing the plotter printer drivers. I just thought it would be easier in the long run to figure out why Canvas was creating all these little polygons. But maybe not!

    Norm

    Posted On July 19, 2007 - 07:39 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Norm Shea said:

    Suzanne,

    Yes, a MapInfo workspace, a .wor file, is a collection of MapInfo .tab files that together create the desired map with desired layout properties. An example would be a Roadways.tab, PondEdges.tab, Buildings.tab, PropertyBoundaries.tab. You layer these all together to create the map. You would then save all these open .tab files or layers, with the labeling properties you have set, as a .wor file such as BigMap.wor. But there is no way to export the .wor file, either to Canvas or ArcMap. You can print the .wor file though, so I have been printing that to the Canvas PS and then saving it as a .jpg or .pdf and loading it on the computer that is attached to the plotter. I guess I might be able to allow the "plotter owners" to let me put my computer on their network and print directly from MapInfo after installing the plotter printer drivers. I just thought it would be easier in the long run to figure out why Canvas was creating all these little polygons. But maybe not!

    Norm

    Hi Norm,

    Thanks for the extra info. Would you be able to send the Tab files to me? I have GIS+ enabled.

    Posted On July 20, 2007 - 12:45 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • NormShea
    Member

    Canuck the evangelist said:

    Hi Norm,

    Thanks for the extra info. Would you be able to send the Tab files to me? I have GIS+ enabled.

    Suzanne,

    I can certainly send you the files. Where do you want them to go?

    Norm

    Posted On July 20, 2007 - 12:36 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • arnost
    Member

    Norm Shea said:

    ... I just thought it would be easier in the long run to figure out why Canvas was creating all these little polygons. But maybe not! ...

    For I am not sure what "Printing to Canvas PS" means, I am assuming that it is printing to the Canvas Printer that is installed as a part of Canvas X for Windows. I am going to base my comments on that assumption.

    If the above is correct, it is not Canvas what creates the tiles; it is not even the print driver; it is the application that prints, MapInfo in this case. It is MapInfo and MapInfo only what decides how graphics is printed. Canvas only shows what would otherwise be sent to a printer.

    I also assume the tiles are either images or vector rectangles placed exactly next to each other. The lines between them that are visible in Canvas are most likely a result of anti-aliasing. You could try turning anti-aliasing off in Canvas, it might help. The same for a PDF. If you export to a PDF and you see thin lines around image tiles, it usually goes away after setting anti-aliasing off in Acrobat. (It might not be called anti-aliasing though; it could be called "Smooth", like in "Smooth Images", and should be located in Page Display preferences.)

    Since I do not know at all MapInfo, I must ask: is there another way of getting the map out of it, besides printing? Isn't there some suitable format the map could be exported to, such as an image (TIFF, PNG, JPEG...), or a vector (DXF, WMF, EMF…). Exporting to any format is usually a way better then regular printing, because every printing degrades the original information to a level that is rarely suitable for anything else then just printing.

    The best way, of course, would be importing the MapInfo file directly, like Suzanne suggested.

    Arnošt

    Posted On July 20, 2007 - 12:51 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Norm Shea said:

    Suzanne,

    I can certainly send you the files. Where do you want them to go?

    Norm

    Hi Norm,

    You can send me a PM and I'll give you my email.

    Posted On July 20, 2007 - 03:26 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • NormShea
    Member

    Arnošt


    guywhodoesntwanttoberegistered said:

    Since I do not know at all MapInfo, I must ask: is there another way of getting the map out of it, besides printing?

    No, there is no way to export the workspace, the .wor file, into any other format. You can export indivdual .tab files to a number of different formats but not the workspace. Sounds like I need to go back to the MapInfo forum and check with them about how others do large prints.

    Again, thanks for the input and the new direction to investigate.

    Norm

    Posted On July 21, 2007 - 01:11 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • rsands
    Member

    Sounds like I need to go back to the MapInfo forum and check with them about how others do large prints.

    Norm can you just print to PDF from Mapinfo? Do you have a PDF writer installed?
    If you are happy with the Mapinfo output I'd be looking to output straight to PDF from there, or as Arnost suggested can you export as an image from the Workspace?
    regards, Richard

    Posted On July 21, 2007 - 05:52 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • arnost
    Member

    Hello Norm,

    I must say I am a little surprised that turning anti-aliasing off did not help. I would have bet it would, for I have seen it before, users complaining, and that trick usually solved it. I am getting interested to find out why it did not work. Could you please check the type of the tiles? Are they images or vectors? What about their position? Are they placed next to each other EXACTLY? Try to increase the measurement precision to, say, 6 decimal digits and then click two squares that are next to each other and have the visible gap in between. Is the bottom coordinate of the first one the same as the top of the second one (left and right, respectively)? If you do not get EXACTLY the same numbers, then we have found the reason. Sometime even a very small difference can cause a gap to appear due to number rounding.

    If precision is the problem, there could be one way to trick it. Before I tell you how, I'll give you a bit of information about the print process, or more precisely - how Canvas handles it. The Canvas Printer is nothing more than a spooler that intercepts the data stream from the printing application (MapInfo, in your case) and sends it to the Canvas' PS Import filter with a bit of extra data, which makes the import easier. The important thing (in this case, anyway) about this process is that Print Driver uses certain default settings with the PS Import filter. That settings is good enough for most applications, but might not be ideal for some. In your case, the default precision, which is (I believe) 720 ppi, might be either too low or too high for what you need.

    The solution is apparent. All you need is to get the PS data and import it manually to Canvas using the PS/EPS/PRN/PDF printer. (It's the same tool, although it has multiple entries in the Open File Dialog's file list.) One way to get the PS (or PRN, which is basically the same) file is to print to a file. Obviously, it has to be with a PS printer. Other way is to get the file that Print To Canvas uses. You should be able to find it in Canvas' application settings folder. It will have a .CVP.PRN extension. Just check the creation time of the file so you know that you have to right one. Also, you have to be quick to get this file, for I believe it gets deleted not too long after it is imported.

    Once you have a PS (or PRN) file, you import it to Canvas with the PS/PRN filter. Then I recommend to play with the precision settings. Try both, lower and higher precision. Sometimes lower precision turns out to work better due to more favorable rounding.

    Arnošt

    Posted On July 21, 2007 - 08:46 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • NormShea
    Member

    Richard S said:

    Sounds like I need to go back to the MapInfo forum and check with them about how others do large prints.

    Norm can you just print to PDF from Mapinfo? Do you have a PDF writer installed?
    If you are happy with the Mapinfo output I'd be looking to output straight to PDF from there, or as Arnost suggested can you export as an image from the Workspace?
    regards, Richard

    Do you have a recommendation for a PDF writer? I think I am going to have to stick with the output from MapInfo. There are so many custom labels that are part of the "look" of the map in MapInfo (like the position and font of thousands of property address, placement of road names, symbols of outfalls, etc), I don't think there will be a way to export it and maintain those.

    Norm

    Posted On July 22, 2007 - 10:38 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Norm Shea said:

    Do you have a recommendation for a PDF writer? I think I am going to have to stick with the output from MapInfo. There are so many custom labels that are part of the "look" of the map in MapInfo (like the position and font of thousands of property address, placement of road names, symbols of outfalls, etc), I don't think there will be a way to export it and maintain those.

    Norm

    Hi Norm,

    Why don't you try CutePDF? I have heard good things about it and I believe it's freeware. BTW, I'm still looking at your files.

    Posted On July 22, 2007 - 12:33 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • NormShea
    Member

    Canuck the evangelist said:

    Hi Norm,

    Why don't you try CutePDF? I have heard good things about it and I believe it's freeware. BTW, I'm still looking at your files.

    Suzanne,

    I'll try the CutePDF cause I've missed the ability to create .pdfs since migrating from Mac to PC. Right now it looks like the situation has been rectified though with the anti-aliasing setting.

    Thanks for the input and I'll be interested in how things work out with the files. Let me know.

    Norm

    Posted On July 22, 2007 - 03:00 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • NormShea
    Member

    guywhodoesntwanttoberegistered said:

    I must say I am a little surprised that turning anti-aliasing off did not help. I would have bet it would...

    Arnošt,
    You seemed so certain, I did a little more digging and it turns out I didn't dig far enough. From Canvas Assistant, when typing in "anti-aliasing", it suggests:
    1. Choose Canvas > Configuration Center (Mac) or File > Configuration Center (Windows) and select the Painting manager in the General settings.
    2. Set the preferences you want to apply to the objects placed in images and click OK.

    I did this and nothing happened. Still curious about your certainty, I continued to poke around in the Configuration Center (and with no mention of this in Canvas Assistant after typing in "anti-aliasing"), under Screen Rendering there is a Vector Quality heading with a pull-down. Under this you can select Anti-aliased, Normal or Draft. This was set to Anti-aliased and when I changed it to Normal, the lines went away!

    So, you were right. Sorry, I didn't find the setting sooner. Thank you VERY much for your help on this. It was really a frustrating thing.

    Thanks again,
    Norm

    Posted On July 22, 2007 - 03:29 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • rsands
    Member

    Norm Shea said:

    Do you have a recommendation for a PDF writer? I think I am going to have to stick with the output from MapInfo. There are so many custom labels that are part of the "look" of the map in MapInfo (like the position and font of thousands of property address, placement of road names, symbols of outfalls, etc), I don't think there will be a way to export it and maintain those.

    Norm


    I use Bluebeam Revu. I tried Cute PDF - the purchased version but it didn't do all I wanted. I went Bluebeam as they make it to sit inside AutoCAD. I find its a very easy program to use and they do take notice of bugs/ suggestions and I give them top marks for that.
    It has added features related to its CAD application - one can scale a pdf then obtain areas and dimension the objects making up the plan. Useful, but only if you need it!
    regards, Richard

    Posted On July 22, 2007 - 03:53 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Norm Shea said:

    Suzanne,

    I'll try the CutePDF cause I've missed the ability to create .pdfs since migrating from Mac to PC. Right now it looks like the situation has been rectified though with the anti-aliasing setting.

    Thanks for the input and I'll be interested in how things work out with the files. Let me know.

    Norm

    Hi Norm,

    I opened the tab files in Canvas without the grids. The only thing that I noticed is that the lines seems so thick and black, even though I've set them to hairline, when I zoom out. It looks like a blotch of blackness. I'll export today to PDF and send you the result.

    Posted On July 23, 2007 - 01:39 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • NormShea
    Member

    Canuck the evangelist said:

    Hi Norm,

    I opened the tab files in Canvas without the grids. The only thing that I noticed is that the lines seems so thick and black, even though I've set them to hairline, when I zoom out. It looks like a blotch of blackness. I'll export today to PDF and send you the result.

    Suzanne,

    Were you able to open multiple .tab files in one Canvas file. If so, how? I've also added another file to the iDisk, KICALakes DeptMap.pdf. If you open it using Canvas, you'll see how the map looks coming out of MapInfo.

    Norm

    Posted On July 24, 2007 - 10:13 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Norm Shea said:

    Suzanne,

    Were you able to open multiple .tab files in one Canvas file. If so, how? I've also added another file to the iDisk, KICALakes DeptMap.pdf. If you open it using Canvas, you'll see how the map looks coming out of MapInfo.

    Norm

    Hi Norm,

    GIS+ supports MapInfo import. I'll check out the file this evening.

    Posted On July 25, 2007 - 12:54 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

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