Solved One Bug and Created an Other One...

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  • i-plus-i
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    The autorotation bug for the Sony RAW files (A700) it's now finaly fixed with the new Beta 2. Thank you very much, but you may have created another one, or it was there before and I never noticed.

    I use ACDSee almost always to Import digital files from my camera (A700) or a card reader and after the Import, I notice that the info in the EXIF/Camera/Software field has been changed from (DSLR-A700 v04) to (ACD Systems Digital Imaging) and It can not be changed back. Also in the IPTC/Caption field, it insert (SONY DSC). This will always happen only on the Portrait "Vertical" files but not on the Landscape "Horizontal" ones.

    Please note that when I use another software to import these files, everything works as expected.

    Thank you,

    Ivan

    Posted On August 19, 2009 - 12:54 PM (3 months ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • i-plus-i
    Member

    I also discovered that ACDSee does the same thing with my little Canon SX10 IS as well. And it also imput in the EXIF/Camera/Date/Time field, the date of when the "Import" took place.

    Please tell me that this is NOT normal...

    Ivan

    Posted On August 20, 2009 - 10:50 AM (3 months ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    i-plus-i said:

    I use ACDSee almost always to Import digital files from my camera (A700) or a card reader and after the Import, I notice that the info in the EXIF/Camera/Software field has been changed from (DSLR-A700 v04) to (ACD Systems Digital Imaging)

    it also imput in the EXIF/Camera/Date/Time field, the date of when the "Import" took place.

    I'm not sure those are bugs - the last program to modify an image is *supposed* to list itself in that Camera / Software field and update the Camera / DateTime field.  At least, that's the usual convention and is as described in the standard documents; I don't know if this behavior is strictly *required* or not.  The camera used is permanently recorded in different fields - Camera / Make and Camera / Model, and the time the picture was taken is permanently recorded as Image / DateTimeOriginal.

    See http://www.exif.org/dcf.PDF for more info.

    Also in the IPTC/Caption field, it insert (SONY DSC). This will always happen only on the Portrait "Vertical" files but not on the Landscape "Horizontal" ones.

    That one *does* sound like a bug.

    Posted On August 20, 2009 - 04:40 PM (3 months ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • i-plus-i
    Member

    Hi Mark,

    For one thing, ACDSee did not modify any of the files but only "Imported" them from the camera into the computer and, if importing is considered "Modify" then why not update all the files intead of only those in the "Portrait" (Vertical) orientation.

    The EXIF/Camera/Software field is listing the firmware of the camera which in my case is (DSLR-A700 v04) and ACDSee should not mess around with it as the info is no where else and it can not be put back manually, at least, I don't know how to do it.

    I still think is a bug.

    Posted On August 20, 2009 - 05:57 PM (3 months ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    i-plus-i said:

    For one thing, ACDSee did not modify any of the files but only "Imported" them from the camera into the computer and, if importing is considered "Modify" then why not update all the files intead of only those in the "Portrait" (Vertical) orientation.

    I'd guess it was the rotation itself that counted as modification.  Although I'd question whether that's actually true - whatever ACDSee does to rotate the file on import probably doesn't require actual modification?  On the other hand, maybe it does for that particular camera model, and that's why it never used to work correctly?  Don't know.

    The EXIF/Camera/Software field is listing the firmware of the camera which in my case is (DSLR-A700 v04) and ACDSee should not mess around with it as the info is no where else and it can not be put back manually, at least, I don't know how to do it.

    I'd guess it is in the Maker Notes somewhere, although I have no idea if ACDSee can access it or not.  In any case, whether it is lost in import or lost on edit, the point is, you can't expect to hold on to that field forever - softeare is *supposed* to alter that field if it alters the file.  But it's perfectly reason to hope to at least get a look at it once, and if you never modify your originals, to expect it to still reflect what the camera had.  Again, I'm going to guess this is a quirk of something Sony did different in their their images to make them not rotate correctly in the first place, but even if so, I suppose ACDSee could make an exception and violate the standard just a little and not chang the software field when performing this particular modification.

    Posted On August 20, 2009 - 07:27 PM (3 months ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • i-plus-i
    Member

    Hi Mark,

    Thank you kindly for your interest and time. I hope that ACDSee will "see" a way to leave that field alone, at least on "import". Sony it's gaining a lot of market share with their new line of DSLR and it would be in ACDSee interest to get it "Straight". And the competition got right already...

    Ivan

     

    Posted On August 20, 2009 - 08:22 PM (3 months ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • mcosgrove
    Administrator

    Good defect! I will review this with development.

    Cheers

    Mark

    Posted On August 24, 2009 - 11:42 PM (2 months ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • delphineous
    Member

    Actually - I'd prefer the software did not add its name to my files.  I recognize that it is in the EXIF information and not visible within the image, but I do not appreciate software which I pay for use posting an advertisement on my images.  How about an option to turn this off?

    Posted On September 2, 2009 - 02:49 AM (2 months ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    delphineous said:

    Actually - I'd prefer the software did not add its name to my files.  I recognize that it is in the EXIF information and not visible within the image, but I do not appreciate software which I pay for use posting an advertisement on my images.  How about an option to turn this off?

    Do you demand the same of your camera?  Why doesn't it bother you that it is advertising itself too?

    Posted On September 3, 2009 - 07:55 PM (2 months ago) (Permalink to this post)

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