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Is it possible to turn this off. I always work on a copy of my original file and don't want to fill my drive with further copies? It was possible to do so in 2.5.
ACDSee Pro 3
Non destructive processing
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rparry
MemberPosted On September 30, 2009 - 06:41 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
Marc Sabatella
ModeratorIt is not, but has been a strongly requested enhancement during the beta period, so hopefully it's on the list for consideration.
Note that with 2.5, the saving and restoring of originals was very crude - it was an all-or-nothing affair. It's basically no better than what you are currently doing managing the copies yourself. But with 3.0 and Develop mode, non-destrucitve editing has become *far* more sophisticated, allowing you to at any time revisit a file and file all your sliders exactly where you left then, meaning you can then revert or otherwise alter settings individually (eg, back off on the sharpenign, keeping evertying else the same, or change WB, keeping everything else the same). Develop mode also provide a ton of new features in terms of being able to copy settings from file to file - process on file, then in just a couple of clicks/keystrokes copy those settings to other files, while still allowing you to go into those other files to further tweak those settings, including undoing any that turn out to have been unnecessary. It's *way* beyond anything that could possibly be accomplished simply by saving a copy of the original yourself, and I'd strongly recommend you consider changing your workflow to take advantage of those features.
But sure, being able to turn the saved originals feature off would be nice, too, and as i said, has already been strongly suggested as an enhancement.
Posted On October 1, 2009 - 11:42 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
rparry
MemberMarc
Many thanks for your informative response. I'll give your suggestions a go, but it would be nice to have the flexibility as you say.
Roger Parry
Posted On October 2, 2009 - 07:53 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
garysibio
MemberI would also like to put in my vote for being able to turn it off.
Gary
Posted On October 2, 2009 - 08:44 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
JayUSA
MemberMarc,
Thank you for your detailed post. I have two questions regarding jpeg (not RAW) processing:
1) Can you tell me.... after a jpeg is processed and saved, where are the process settings stored? In the jpeg? Or in some ACDSee database?
2) Also, I think I'm interested in the opposite of some other posters in this thread... I'd like a processed jpeg to ALWAYS and AUTOMATICALLY be stored with a modified file name. In other words, after processing all my photos individually (not batch), I'd like to have the untouched originals available as "jpegname.jpg", and the processed files available as "jpegname_processed.jpg". Can ACDSee be configured so that the default behavior is to modify the names of processed files?
Thanks for your advice!
Jay
Posted On October 3, 2009 - 01:28 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
Marc Sabatella
ModeratorMy understanding is the settings are saved in an XMP sidecar file in the Originals folder as well as the db. not sure if they are also embedded into the XMP area of the JPEG itself or not. One could probably check this with ExifTool or something similar.
No, the default behavior with respect to naming cannot be customized. The original is moved to Originals, the modified version is saved in place. You can of course use Save As, although even so you need to cancel out of the edit afterwards to avoid also processing the original file normally (and I've submitted an enhancement request asking ACD to change this).
Posted On October 4, 2009 - 05:41 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
garysibio
MemberI have some images that I have taken to use with Ebay to sell an item. After I sell the item, I have no need for the image and will delete it. Before using them with Ebay I need to resize them which means I have an original and the smaller version. When I'm finished, and delete the reduced-sized copy, will the version in the [Original] folder also be deleted?
Gary
Posted On October 5, 2009 - 06:21 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
Shabbadang
MemberI am new to ACDSee and I have a question in connection with this. I made some slight changes to an image (jpeg) that I also sent to a customer bu e mail. When doing so, I dragged the image from Windows Explorer to the e-mail.
After reading this, i checked the folder and noticed the hidden Originals folder and that when I compared the files, the altered file was a bit heavier. Was it resaved and thus degraded in quality?
I thought first that the alterations were saved as some settings in the database or somewhere else and that they were carried out live when you vieved the image (that was untouched). Now I get the impression that the file *is* altered and resaved but that the original is located in a separate hidden folder. Whe I open the xml-file in a text editor I can see that all tweakings are stored there, but why save them in an xml-file if they are already carried out on the saved image? Is that so you can see the sliders and curves together with the saved image and still have the option to revert back to the original?
And lastly, what is the best way of sending original images? If I pick it in the windows Explorer, I will get the saved image, but if I want to send the best quality possible and let the customer do the retouching? Can I use the File/Send/E-mail images and turn off teh Convert to jepg option? Will the original be sent then or do I have to go into the original folder then and get it outside ACDSee?
Posted On October 5, 2009 - 10:11 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
Tankred
ModeratorWhen I'm finished, and delete the reduced-sized copy, will the version in the [Original] folder also be deleted?
Yes, the version in the folder [original] will be deleted, too. But you have to delete the picture from within ACDSee.
I made some slight changes to an image (jpeg)...i checked the folder and noticed the hidden Originals folder and that when I compared the files, the altered file was a bit heavier. ... I thought first that the alterations were saved as some settings in the database or somewhere else and that they were carried out live when you vieved the image (that was untouched)...
That depends on what you've did in the first place. If you develop a picture, the picture itself is not altered. If you edit a picture and save it in ACDSee afterwards, the original picture is saved in the [original] folder and you'll see the altered picture henceforth.
Posted On October 5, 2009 - 11:53 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
Shabbadang
MemberThat depends on what you've did in the first place. If you develop a picture, the picture itself is not altered. If you edit a picture and save it in ACDSee afterwards, the original picture is saved in the [original] folder and you'll see the altered picture henceforth.
So if I hit save, the original file is moved to the Original folder, and if I don't hit save, the adjustments are only saved in the xml-file?
What about the jpeg quality in the altered file, when it is resaved? I notice it is heavier, does that mean it keep its quality or does it degrade? Is there a global setting for this, what quality it is resaved in?
Posted On October 5, 2009 - 01:43 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
xuweiuser
Member我写中文不知道你们是否明白，
我觉得新增加的“process”这个功能虽然很强大，但会在原目录下产生两个隐藏的文件夹，用于备份编辑过的源文件及参数，但使用者却不能自己设置是否需要这个备份，希望能让客户自己决定是否需要备份，就象2.5那样。
还有一个问题，软件的界面的黑色虽然表现专业，但不是所有人都喜欢黑色，希望能增加软件界面色彩设置功能，让客户自己决定软件界面色彩。
Posted On October 6, 2009 - 07:18 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
Marc Sabatella
ModeratorIs that so you can see the sliders and curves together with the saved image and still have the option to revert back to the original?
Yes. And not just revert to the original, but to be able to go back into Develop mode finding all sliders exactly as you left them, exactly as if you had never left. So you can revert any individual setting while leaving the rest alone, or further adjust the sliders any way you see fit.
And lastly, what is the best way of sending original images? If I pick it in the windows Explorer, I will get the saved image, but if I want to send the best quality possible and let the customer do the retouching? Can I use the File/Send/E-mail images and turn off teh Convert to jepg option? Will the original be sent then or do I have to go into the original folder then and get it outside ACDSee?
I don't know what would have with the email wizard - you could try it and see - but I also wouldn't expect that to always work the same way. To be safe, I'd go to the Originals folder (which you can do from within ACDSee just as easily - using Advanced Filters, it can show you hidden folders just as Explorer can). But if this is something you see yourself doing regularly, I'd develop a workflow that supports this in a more straightforward way - such as cloning the whole folder of originals before you begin, and working on the cloned copy, keeping the original pristine.
You could also - as some have suggested and done in the past when they didn't have non-destructive editors at their disposal - simply use "Save As" from Develop mode to save a new copy of the image, such as in a different folder. But currently, even if you do this, ACDSee still applies your changes to the main copy even after you've saved a new copy. The workaround - and OMG, why don't I remember this more often - would be to simply select your main files after editing and hit Restore Original.
Posted On October 7, 2009 - 06:39 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
Marc Sabatella
ModeratorSo if I hit save, the original file is moved to the Original folder, and if I don't hit save, the adjustments are only saved in the xml-file?
No. In Develop mode, there i no Save - only Save As (to make a new copy). Your changes are always made in place, meaning the original is moved and the edits are saved in the original location.
What about the jpeg quality in the altered file, when it is resaved? I notice it is heavier, does that mean it keep its quality or does it degrade? Is there a global setting for this, what quality it is resaved in?
Good question. I'd kind of assume there is a global setting, but am not sure where it would be. Maybe use Save As once, change the compression, make that the default, and see if it seems to be honoring that setting?
Posted On October 7, 2009 - 06:42 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
xpcoolz
MemberI also want the turn off the save original option. I always work on a copy of my image.
Posted On October 11, 2009 - 06:12 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
cheerful
MemberI've not tried 3 yet.
1. Does it store all the intermediate result jpegs? Or does it only save original, final result and all the processing commands?
2. Does it create hidden folder other than [Original]?
3. Is it possible to rename [Original]? Some photo editor does not like [] in the file/path name.
thanks!
Posted On October 11, 2009 - 03:38 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post) -
Marc Sabatella
ModeratorI've not tried 3 yet.
1. Does it store all the intermediate result jpegs? Or does it only save original, final result and all the processing commands?
Not sure what you mean by intermediate result jpegs. There are two processing modes in Pro 3 - Develop and Edit. Edit saves only when you tell it save; there are no intermediates. Develop mode saves changes automatically when you exit that mode or move on to another image, but again, there are no "intermediate" files. Develop mode always takes your processing settings and applies them cumulatively to the saved original, so at all times, there would only be the saved original and the current version that contains all your cumulative edits.
2. Does it create hidden folder other than [Original]?
If you shoot RAW, then ACDSee will produce JPEG previews in a folder called [Developed] so it can display your processed file more quickly (as opposed to having to apply your processing on the fly every time you visit the file). These are basically the same types of files (called RAW Image Previews) ACDSee Pro has always created, but in previous versions they were created in a centralized cache folder.
3. Is it possible to rename [Original]? Some photo editor does not like [] in the file/path name.
Under normal circumstances, you wouldn't need to access that folder, and indeed, modifying files form that folder in another application would cause ACDSee to no longer work as it should - those files are used internally by ACDSee to implement non-destructive editing. Those files should normally be considered to be for ACDSee's private use, and that's why the folder is hidden. Is there a particular purpsoe for which you envision wanting a third party application to access the saved originals? Chances are, whatever it is you are planning to do would be better done via a different method.
Posted On October 13, 2009 - 12:19 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
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