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Images in portrait orient. don't show when CM is activated

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  • Shabbadang
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    I just installed ACDSee 3, and it looks very nice and interesting. One of the first things I did was to enable Color Management. To my surprise the images in portrait orientation then stopped showing in the View mode. When I turned CM off, they became visible again. What gives?

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 08:42 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
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    I did some more testing and it gets weirder... Now I found out that images taken in sRGB don't display at all if I enable CM, no matter if they are landscape or portrait.

    Most of my images are taken in sRGB, untagged. Recently I have been starting to try aRGB, and then I tag the images as I download them to the computer (though Nikon software) but I only tag the aRGB images, not sRGB. I avoid mixing sRGB and aRGB in the same session/folder.

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 09:14 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Gothmoth
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    works fine here......

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 09:19 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
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    Gothmoth said:

    works fine here......

     So, please explain how you do it. Do you have images taken in aRGB and they display fine in the view mode? Do you tag the images with an ICC profile?

    I noticed that ACDSee doesn't discover the embedded aRGB profile. So, maybe the taggign doesn't work from Nikon transfer? Can I tag them afterwards in ACDSee with an ICC profile?

    But why do the landscape oriented images work and not the portrait oriented ones?

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 09:43 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Gothmoth
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    well i do nothing.... it just works as expected here.

    i have prophoto tiff, srgb jpg and adobe rgb tiff files.... they all displayed fine with enabled CM.
    no matter if landscape or portrait orientation.

    sorry im not nativ english speaking.. i don´t know what you mean with tag them with an ICC profil.
    do you mean you convert the image colorspace or you assign a colorspace to them?

    i take my picture in RAW format.... edit them in photoshop as prophoto RGB files and then convert the final images (after im done with all editing in PS) to adobe RGB or sRGB colorspace.

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 09:46 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
    Member

    OK. I think I am getting a hang of what happens here.

    1) Obviously the program does not display images without embedded ICC profile when color management is turned on.

    2) When the images are rotated (I do that with a third party utility after downloading/tagging them) it seems that the ICC profile is lost, so then they won't display (if CM is active).

    Since ACDSee is aware of the image rotation, I suppose I don't have to rotate them anymore. I just did that to make them rotated in Windows miniature view.

    Then, the question is: can I re-tag the rotated images with the aRGB ICC profile, from ACDSee?

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 09:55 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Gothmoth
    Member

    i think that shoud be possible with the batch tools -> convert ICC profile.

    i just checked my panorama images (they are created without an embedded color profile) and acdsee 3 is showing them.

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 09:58 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
    Member

    Gothmoth said:

    i just checked my panorama images (they are created without an embedded color profile) and acdsee 3 is showing them.

     Do they show even when you activate Color Management?

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 11:13 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Gothmoth
    Member

    yes, i have CM activated all the time.

     

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 11:16 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
    Member

    Strange, than the mechanism must be something else. Maybe some other setting. Any ideas?

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 11:17 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Gothmoth
    Member

    can you upload one of the images that is not shown to www.filefactory.com  ?

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 11:19 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
    Member

    Gothmoth said:

    can you upload one of the images that is not shown to www.filefactory.com  ?

     Here: http://www.filefactory.com/f/426e137d2da9d215/

    There are two varieties of each image; one with the ICC profile embedded (ends with _01) and one without. The first pair is in aRGB and the second in sRGB.

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 01:04 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
    Member

    Perhaps these links work better:

    http://www.filefactory.com/file/a0c8568/n/20090905-115958_01_JPG
    http://www.filefactory.com/file/a0c856h/n/20090905-115958_JPG
    http://www.filefactory.com/file/a0c856d/n/20090905-120026_01_JPG
    http://www.filefactory.com/file/a0c857d/n/20090905-120026_JPG

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 01:59 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Gothmoth
    Member

    all files are shown fine here

    http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9020/91949339.jpg

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 04:44 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
    Member

    Well, then there must be something else. Any suggestions? Some setting that needs altering?

    Posted On September 29, 2009 - 05:49 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
    Member

    I sure need to solve this before I can decide on buying the software. Today I recieved a batch of images: some tagged with ICC profile and some without. The same story: the ones with profile embedded show fine, the others don't.

    I found an article in the knowledge base though: article 144 deals a bit with this. What I did was to specify a default input ICC profile (sRGB) in the options for Color management. That solved the problem in a way beacuse now every image shows. However the aRGB images will of course be mapped into sRGB color space. I need to solve the re-tagging of my rotated mages anyway, but this solves the problem I asked about. And I did it myself! :-)

    Posted On September 30, 2009 - 06:58 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Gothmoth
    Member

    click the checkbox "use embedded profil when found in image files".

    it is under the menu where you set sRGB as default profil.

    your images without a profil will not be retagged, they will only handled as if they had a sRGB profil.
    but nothing is written to the files.

    your images with an embedded profil will be color managed correctly because acdsee uses the embedded profile for CM.

     

    btw:

    i think acdsee sets sRGB as default profil anyway.
    at least when i installed acdsee pro 2.5 and now v3 there was already sRGB choosen as default.

     

    Posted On September 30, 2009 - 08:36 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
    Member

    Gothmoth said:

    click the checkbox "use embedded profil when found in image files".

    it is under the menu where you set sRGB as default profil.

    btw:

    i think acdsee sets sRGB as default profil anyway.
    at least when i installed acdsee pro 2.5 and now v3 there was already sRGB choosen as default.

     

     Oh, I did that form the very start. It was the other option that was missing – to set an input profile. If you don't do that then you will have my problem, when an ICC profile is lacking in an image.

    Posted On September 30, 2009 - 08:44 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Gothmoth
    Member

    well i never had to do that by hand.
    not for v2.5 not for v3. 

    there was always sRGB choosen as default.
    and i also see no way to leave this menu blank.... as there is no empty entry in the dropdownbox.

    http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4408/10799308.jpg

    when i enable CM the sRGB profil is choosen as default.
    i only had to tick the "use embedded profil" checkbox.

     

     

    Posted On September 30, 2009 - 08:48 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Shabbadang
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    Gothmoth said:

    well i never had to do that by hand.
    not for v2.5 not for v3. 

    there was alwayy sRGB choosen as default.

     

     

     Well, obviously it was. That field was blank. Now when I selected a standard input profile, it works.

    Posted On September 30, 2009 - 08:53 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)

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