How to orgazine with ACDsee pro 2

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  • moongate
    Moderator

    I would like to learn how I can use keywords and categories in combination correctly.

    Before I start to explain what my problem is I have a question about the categories. Can they be written to the files "IPTC" so they are stored in the same way as the keywords? and is there a special field that they should be written to?

    Now to my problem. I have finished keywording of of my pictures with ACDsee now. Build 238 finally worked like a charm for that task. I did not receive a single crash even with massive batch operation from ACDsee database to IPTC this time (219 was different).
    Keywords are stored in the ACDsee database as well as the IPTC metadata now.
    So far so good.

    While entering keywords I tried to stay on the following path.
    Lets say we talk about a picture of a party of my friend Peter at his place in Chicago.

    I tried not to enter the keyword "Peter" for all pictures of his party where he is not on the picture.
    My intend is that when I search for Peter I will only get pictures with his face on.

    On the other hand side this also leads to a problem because if I want to see all pictures from peters party there is no search combination that will get me there. I don´t want to use combined keywords like "peters-party" because when I start doing this I will not remember those later when I want to start a search.

    My understanding so far is that now the categories might come into place. I could assign a category peter to all images of that party.

    Would it then be possible to search for the IPTC keyword party in combination with the category peter to see all pictures from that party? Am I going the right track or is this not the way to solve this correctly?

    How do I use keywords and categories together so it makes sense and I still stay compatible with other applications with my files.

    Mgt

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 05:44 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    Can they be written to the files "IPTC" so they are stored in the same way as the keywords? and is there a special field that they should be written to?
    Yes, No and No are the short replies. Categories can be written to iptc but they will lose the heirachy so were you to lose your database, you would not be able to copy them back into the structure of categories. There is no special field.
    While entering keywords I tried to stay on the following path. Lets say we talk about a picture of a party of my friend Peter at his place in Chicago.
    I tried not to enter the keyword "Peter" for all pictures of his party where he is not on the picture.
    My intend is that when I search for Peter I will only get pictures with his face on.
    On the other hand side this also leads to a problem because if I want to see all pictures from peters party there is no search combination that will get me there.
    There is no single answer to keywords and there are as many designs as there are users! But it is worth looking sideways also - Peter lives in Chicago (iptc: city) and you could enter his locale as iptc: sub-location.
    Additionally there is a calendar but I expect Peter's party went on for over 24 hours so just choose the month and the iptc: sub-location.
    Have a look through your keywords and, if you cannot get to everything you need through use of other factors such as location, time etc, then you probably need another keyword.
    I use a 'job name' in all my folders which is another way of making collections.

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 06:41 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • moongate
    Moderator

    samdring said:

    Yes, No and No are the short replies. Categories can be written to iptc but they will lose the heirachy so were you to lose your database, you would not be able to copy them back into the structure of categories. There is no special field.

    I will loose the hierarchy - this is pretty interesting!

    There is no single answer to keywords and there are as many designs as there are users! But it is worth looking sideways also - Peter lives in Chicago (iptc: city) and you could enter his locale as iptc: sub-location.
    Additionally there is a calendar but I expect Peter's party went on for over 24 hours so just choose the month and the iptc: sub-location.
    Have a look through your keywords and, if you cannot get to everything you need through use of other factors such as location, time etc, then you probably need another keyword.
    I use a 'job name' in all my folders which is another way of making collections.

    Maybe I have to clarify my problem with parties a bit.

    When I add pictures from events (like a party) I don´t want to write the name of the event owner to all files. Because when I search for that name later because I want images of that person I get all kinds of images which are not including that person but his guests the food the floor and other things. </forums.acdsystems.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

    So if I added party as a keyword for a single row of pictures I could just enter the term party and would find all pictures of peters party.

    My problem now is that I have 10 parties. When I search for party it is a mess to find all pictures only belonging to peters party. In this case I could also search for Chicago in the city field as you suggested but what if 5 of those parties where in Chicago?

    I was thinking of a keyword like partypeter - but when I thought about it what if I had pictures from more events of peter like dinner, birthday, christmas. Would I have to enter dinnerpeter, birthdaypeter and so on?
    Maybe you see how complex this is now going and I´m looking for a solution of someone who already spent hours thinking about it and maybe came up with a better idea. </forums.acdsystems.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

    Mgt

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 07:21 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    For me, you are starting from the wrong position but each to his own. If you want a keyword system that will find exactly the image you want, you are setting up a system that will be very hard to control and to implement.
    Taking your 10 parties example does it really matter if you find 3 of them by returning Grant Park (iptc: sub-location - I think it's in Chicago!) coupled with Peter? You only have to look at the returned thumbnails, hover over an example for the date and hit the Calendar.
    However, that's just my opinion and I spend very little time keywording but can find what I want in a couple of moves.
    I am sure you will receive responses very different from mine and that's fine - it's all about what <u>you</u> need

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 08:43 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • moongate
    Moderator

    samdring said:

    For me, you are starting from the wrong position but each to his own. If you want a keyword system that will find exactly the image you want, you are setting up a system that will be very hard to control and to implement.
    Taking your 10 parties example does it really matter if you find 3 of them by returning Grant Park (iptc: sub-location - I think it's in Chicago!) coupled with Peter? You only have to look at the returned thumbnails, hover over an example for the date and hit the Calendar.
    However, that's just my opinion and I spend very little time keywording but can find what I want in a couple of moves.
    I am sure you will receive responses very different from mine and that's fine - it's all about what <u>you</u> need

    It still leaves me puzzled.

    I hardly use the calender function yet as I must admit.

    My Problem only is to find and extra that is missing now.

    When I have the keywords "Peter, Party, Chicago" I find all pictures of Peter at his Party ind Chicago.
    But what if I want to find all pictures of Peters Party in Chicago without him. In this case "Peter" is not a keyword of the file I am looking for.

    So far I have not done anything yet - that is why I´m only asking for suggestions of solutions.

    And I will only decide to hop onto one of those solutions when a simple question back is not making everything as confusing as it is right now. You just need to convince me that your idea is the right thing it also works for even more complex examples that we have not touched yet.

    Mgt

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 08:50 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    You just need to convince me that your idea is the right thingI am not trying at all to convince you, only what my methods are. You will have differing needs and, as I said in my first response, I use job codes which aid me significantly.
    When I have the keywords "Peter, Party, Chicago" I find all pictures of Peter at his Party ind Chicago.
    But what if I want to find all pictures of Peters Party in Chicago without him. In this case "Peter" is not a keyword of the file I am looking for.All I would do for that is to have keywords of Peter and Party (not Chicago) and in Quick Search I would enter "Party -Peter" which would give me all the images of parties in Chicago and elsewhere. I would then Group By date taken which would give me all the images without Peter of ONE party in Chicago.
    Please do not get me wrong on this. All I am saying is that it is worth having a few thoughts about the different facilities available to get the images you want. If, however, you feel that you want to invest heavily in keywording then there is nothing inherently wrong with that approach.

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 09:22 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • moongate
    Moderator

    samdring said:

    I am not trying at all to convince you, only what my methods are. You will have differing needs and, as I said in my first response, I use job codes which aid me significantly.
    All I would do for that is to have keywords of Peter and Party (not Chicago) and in Quick Search I would enter "Party -Peter" which would give me all the images of parties in Chicago and elsewhere. I would then Group By date taken which would give me all the images without Peter of ONE party in Chicago.
    Please do not get me wrong on this. All I am saying is that it is worth having a few thoughts about the different facilities available to get the images you want. If, however, you feel that you want to invest heavily in keywording then there is nothing inherently wrong with that approach.

    I could live with your group by date approach if there would be no other way because I´m heavily keyword driven and would invest into a reasonable system. But at the point I´m stuck with at the moment I don´t know how I could solve this problem with keywords alone. That is why I came up with the Idea of adding the name in form of a category. But I´m not completely satisfied with it either.

    Mgt

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 10:32 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    That's fine and I am sure you will receive other ideas very soon. Please note that a number of requests have been made to have include and exclude options on the auto-categories. Were this available, you then could go to auto-categories and:
    Include iptc city: Chicago
    Exclude keyword: Peter
    Include keyword: Party
    This is similar to how IView/MS Expression works.
    I do not know how well this request has been received by the developers but they do read these posts and take notice.

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 10:45 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    Let me talk abut how I deal with this.

    My first rule of thumb is that I only put things in keywords that are in fact things that an objective observer not at the scene could tell from looking at the picture (assuming he was familiar with the people and activities depicted). So a party at Peter's house would *not* get a keyword of Peter, unless Peter was in the picture. A keyword search for Peter with thus show only pictures of Peter, not pictures that have any indirect connection to Peter. Which is to say, it looks like we are entering are keywords similarly.

    So where do I put the info about this in fact being a party at Peter's house? In one or possibly two places. In all cases, this goes into Notes, and from there gets copied to IPTC Headline. That is, the very first thing I do with a cardful of images after import is to select all images shot at a given event and enter into Notes something like "Party @ Peter's". Actually, that's a slight lie: I actually run Batch Set Information with a preset that adds copyright and contact info, and I also use that as an opportunity to set the IPTC location fields. But I'm very non-specific about my locations - assuming Peter, like me, lives anywhere in the general vicinity of Denver/Colorado/USA, that's what gets entered as the location. I could use "Sublocation" to store "Peter's house", but for some reason, that idea doesn't appeal to me, as I think I'd have a hard time being consistent enough about how I did this to be useful, so I don't. If a future version of ACDSee had fields on the db pane for the various components of location (or allowed setting IPTC for multiple files directly), I might be more inclined to do this.

    Anyhow, like I said, the information that this is a party at Peter's house goes into Notes and from there, IPTC Headline. If the event is significant enough that I am concerned with being able to find those images again, I will create a Category for it too: Events/Parties/Peter. Or maybe Events/Parties/Peter/Christmas or something more specific like that if Peter is someone who throws a lot of parties. I used to do this for virtually every event, but I've coming to realize that I'd rather save a little time *entering* information even if it means costing me a little time *searching* later, because I already spend far more time entering info than searching. So if takes me a few guesses on how I entered the info into Notes (did I use his first or last name?) in order to find the pictures, that's OK. I am reasonably consistent about how I enter my Notes (always of the form "event @ location"), so I do pretty well in most cases without the need for a category. Eg, "Peter & Party" will show all pictures taken at any party at Peter's, or any party Peter attended. Probably close enough, and then I just make sure the images are sorted by date (the single keystroke "D" does this, because that's how I've customized it) and then it's trivial to scroll until I see the group of pictures from the specific party I want. Again, if I'm concerned when entering metadata that any particular party is so important that I *need* to be able to find it reliably, a Category takes care of that.

    Note that this is virtually the same as what the Calender "Events View" can do rather more automatically. But I don't like the fact that this only works if your Events are exactly one day long. It doesn't work well if you've got multiple events on a single day, or if an event spans several days (although I think the latter may work better than the former).

    So, now, to later find pictures of Peter himself (not his parties), my first step is usually to do a Quick Search on "Peter". This will of course show me all pictures *of* Peter as well as all pictures taken at his house, or his wedding, or anything else with the word "Peter" in it. 9 times out of 10, I say, "close enough", and just browse the resulting set of thumbs looking for the pictures I want and ignoring the ones he is not in, as it's not worthwhile to me to fine tune the search any more. But if there are just too many false hits and it's frustrating me to have to wade through them, then I can use Auto Categories or the full Search window to find only pictures with a *keyword* of Peter, and then I'll have exactly what I want. If it were possible to customize the Quick Search to search *only* keywords, I'd like this even better.

    I think if I had been really clever and anticipated this issue, I'd have reconsidered how I stored the event info in Notes, using some sort of scheme to avoid duplicating keywords. But frankly, it just doesn't seem worth it to me to worry about: without too much effort, I can find what I want as it is.

    Before I start to explain what my problem is I have a question about the categories. Can they be written to the files "IPTC" so they are stored in the same way as the keywords? and is there a special field that they should be written to?

    As Sam says, yes you can store them, but no, there is no special field for this, and you do lose the hierarchy. I recommend IPTC Supplemental Categories as the most appropriate place, but if I write out my categories and have Events/Parties/Peter/Christmas, all that actually gets written is "Christmas", so it's not really that useful. If you set up a duplicate of your category hierarchy on another machine (or after deleting your own db to start over for whatever reason) and try to read this back in via Batch Set Information, ACDSee will assign the picture to a category called "Christmas", and if Peter's Christmas party is the only one you have, it will get this right. But if you've categories called "Christmas" in several places in your hierarchy, then ACDSee will have guess which to place it in. Some poeple have requested the ability to store (and restore) the whole hierarchy, and perhaps a future version will allow for this. But really, this is just a kludge - no IPTC fields were really *meant* for this. I'm guessing that at some point in the not too distant future, a new standard (probably within XMP) will emerge to provide a reliable place to store this sort of info. And, for that matter, something like a separate "People" field in XMP that was intended specifically to identify the people depicted (separate from keywords).

    My understanding so far is that now the categories might come into place. I could assign a category peter to all images of that party.

    Would it then be possible to search for the IPTC keyword party in combination with the category peter to see all pictures from that party? Am I going the right track or is this not the way to solve this correctly?

    I'd assume you would just want a single category for Peter's party (perhaps Events/Parties/Peter), in which case, no combined search would be needed for this. If you wanted pictures of Peter that were taken at his party, then sure, a search that combined both attributes would make sense. ACDSee's ability to do complex combined searches is limited, but this much is certainly doable.

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 05:28 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • moongate
    Moderator

    Hello Marc,

    thank you for this ultimate reply. Without going deep into every aspect I can agree that our workflow sounds quite similar.

    I think I have understood all pros and cons of keywords, IPTC extra fields and categories now.

    I have decided to give the "event @ location " ideas a try. This is my choice because it might handle the problem without the need of any extras. I will stick to my IPTC infomation and I think compatibility to other programs is the best using this king of organization method.

    I can only finally tell you if it really works for me after I tried to adapt this solution to my first shootings.

    But of course I will get back here and share my experiences.

    Mgt

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 05:47 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • malbert
    Member

    Thanks Marc for your explanation. Organization is important and good organization is difficult, unique to the shooter and very important from a usability point of view. I shoot a lot of aircraft/aviation stuff and keyword on the aircraft with a category of the type, Military, Civilian, etc. I believe that as anyone gains more insight into the workings of IPTC and XMP they will want to change their organization style. Maybe the world needs a image organization consultant! More information on this subject is always welcome.

    Posted On December 12, 2007 - 10:03 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • neum69
    Member

    Marc S -

    thanks for the detailed explanation of how you do things. I am just starting with ACDSee Pro 2 after having used nothing other than file folders for years. I need to embark on a metadata journey to get my existing 16GB of photos in order.

    Can you provide more examples of the typical event @ location format that you have used? The simple example of party @ peter's I fear doesn't adequately capture the true spirit of how you do this in practice.

    Also, when you say that the database Notes field maps to IPTC Headline, I assume you mean that you've created a batch set information template that maps this by default?

    Finally, (addressed to all) it seems like I've seen people's postings of the category hierarchies they use somewhere. Has anybody seen that and have a link handy?

    Oh hey, one more for y'all. where in IPTC do you store your rating, or do you store it in IPTC at all? I have heard it's a good idea to pass the rating on in the actual file metadata so that others can access that (admittedly subjective) information, but there doesn't seem to be a clear place for it.

    For now, I append it as the last keyword in the IPTC keyword field. So as an example, my last keyword would be 3 for a photo rated a 3.

    Posted On December 15, 2007 - 09:50 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Patterns
    Member

    Bill N said:

    Oh hey, one more for y'all. where in IPTC do you store your rating, or do you store it in IPTC at all? I have heard it's a good idea to pass the rating on in the actual file metadata so that others can access that (admittedly subjective) information, but there doesn't seem to be a clear place for it.

    For now, I append it as the last keyword in the IPTC keyword field. So as an example, my last keyword would be 3 for a photo rated a 3.

    Speaking as purely a hobbyist ... I don't know how other people do this, but I'm currently trying out a new system as follows.

    I "rate" my images on several different scales. As examples:

    1) Rating of the picture as a picture. My reference question for this scale is, "Would I include this in a portfolio which represents my photography to the public?"
    2) Rating of the picture as a memory. My reference questiong for this scale is, "Would I include this in a portfolio of pictures I'd like to come back to from time to time so as to remember things that have happened in my life?"
    3) Rating of the picture as a memory of me and my wife. My reference for this scale is, ""Would I like to look at this picture sometimes to remind me of happy moments with Lilac?"
    I use the first scale for the "rating" that's displayed by ACDSee.

    I prefer to store the ratings as IPTC keywords, so that even if my database becomes unavailable I will still have this key info stored in the files themselves.

    The keywords I store are as follows:
    For (1): RATE_DG_1, RATE_DG_2, etc
    For (2): RATE_DG_PERS_1, RATE_DG_PERS_2, etc
    For (3): RATE_DG_David_and_Lilac_1, RATE_DG_David_and_Lilac_2

    Most of these scales won't need as many as 5 different ratings.

    This also allows me to put Lilac's separate ratings into the same files if we want to, and to maintain ratings of photos for any specific purpose if I want to (perhaps temporarily). And I can rate a technically poor, artistically worthless shot which nevertheless captures a warm moment on two separate scales for different purposes.

    Obviously in some ways this is more work; but it also captures the different purposes for which I use my images, much more than keywording evets, locations etc would do. Anyway, I can easily find events by date since not that much happens in my life! Other people might need different systems depending how they use their collections, and it remains to be seen how well this will work even for me!

    -David

    Posted On December 16, 2007 - 01:02 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • moongate
    Moderator

    Marc Sabatella said:

    Let me talk abut how I deal with this.

    So where do I put the info about this in fact being a party at Peter's house? In one or possibly two places. In all cases, this goes into Notes, and from there gets copied to IPTC Headline. That is, the very first thing I do with a cardful of images after import is to select all images shot at a given event and enter into Notes something like "Party @ Peter's". I also use that as an opportunity to set the IPTC location fields. But I'm very non-specific about my locations - assuming Peter, like me, lives anywhere in the general vicinity of Denver/Colorado/USA, that's what gets entered as the location. I could use "Sublocation" to store "Peter's house", but for some reason, that idea doesn't appeal to me, as I think I'd have a hard time being consistent enough about how I did this to be useful, so I don't.

    Today I imported new pictures and tried my new workflow with them.
    While I was able to enter my keywords as usual there was one thing that came into my mind that I never noticed before.

    Maybe the reason why Marc uses Party @ Denver is because their are no location fields on the ACDsee Database and I know he wants to enter data fast.

    Actually many many fields that can be found as IPTC can´t be found as a database field. I work with the database pane for quite some time now but never realized that the fields offered is all you can get.

    Now I wish that I could edit this pane to allow the same fields that I later use with IPTC. Many other applications don´t make a difference between database and IPTC fields. In thumbsplus you can enter them into one form and decide where they should be written to afterwards.

    Now I finally understand why you used different fields when you explained your workflow Marc. Is this also the reason why you do not use the location field.

    Actually there are only three fields beside the keywords that I can use or am I missing something?

    Mgt

    Posted On December 16, 2007 - 11:18 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    Bill N said:

    Can you provide more examples of the typical event @ location format that you have used? The simple example of party @ peter's I fear doesn't adequately capture the true spirit of how you do this in practice.

    Actually, it does. I'm quite lazy. I don't even always enter *anything* here - it remains blank for pictures taken outisde of the context of welldefined "event". Here are some recent examples

    Volunteer party @ KUVO
    Painting @ Lair of the Bear
    Thanksgiving @ Halgren's

    Also, when you say that the database Notes field maps to IPTC Headline, I assume you mean that you've created a batch set information template that maps this by default?

    Yes. Notes->Headline, Caption->Caption, Keywords->Keywords, Rating->Urgency.

    where in IPTC do you store your rating, or do you store it in IPTC at all? I have heard it's a good idea to pass the rating on in the actual file metadata so that others can access that (admittedly subjective) information, but there doesn't seem to be a clear place for it.

    See above. It isn't ideal, but it's something, and my assumption is that an other program I would consider using that might need to view the ratings would be able to similarly copy them back. Right now, I don't actually see the need for this - ratings are really for my own organizational needs only, and ACDSee is all I need for that. But I like to have this information preserved in case someday I need to import this info into a different application. There is now a standardized place where applications can store ratings, in the XMP info (separate from the IPTC area), and I'm hoping ACDSee will allow for that in a future release.

    For now, I append it as the last keyword in the IPTC keyword field. So as an example, my last keyword would be 3 for a photo rated a 3.

    FWIW, this is also what Peter Krogh, author of "The DAM Book" (which is where most of my ideas on the subject come from in way or another), does, except his keywords are "1star", "2star", etc.

    Posted On December 16, 2007 - 01:31 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    moongate said:

    Maybe the reason why Marc uses Party @ Denver is because their are no location fields on the ACDsee Database and I know he wants to enter data fast.

    Yes. Although I have now settled on running Batch Set Information immediately after import - before conversion to DNG - and set location then (also contact info, etc). My preset for this purpose defaults to Denver/CO/USA as location, and then I override the city when necessary. I previously did not use location at all because there was no easy way to map it to the db, but I have actually now gone through my entire catalog adding this info. I still use Notes as described, for a simple description of the event when appropriate.

    The reason I run Batch Set Information before conversion to DNG was originally that this worked around a bug in build 219 regarding handling of EXIF date/time. But even though that is (mostly) fixed now, I still like this workflow because Batch Set Information is *fast* when run on RAW files, because it merely generates XMP files as opposed to having to rewrite the whole DNG file. This workflow allows me to get contact and ocation info into the files immediately, and then I can worry about rating, keywording and custom RAW processing at my leisure.

    Actually many many fields that can be found as IPTC can´t be found as a database field.

    True. But luckily, most of these are rather "static", which is to say, will be the same for all of your images, and can hence be made part of the preset. The location fields are really the only ones I found problematic. Are there others than concern you?

    Posted On December 16, 2007 - 01:42 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • moongate
    Moderator

    Marc Sabatella said:

    But luckily, most of these are rather "static", which is to say, will be the same for all of your images, and can hence be made part of the preset. The location fields are really the only ones I found problematic. Are there others than concern you?

    I figured that you would come up with this argument and that is what I first thought two -> most are static
    But on the other hand side it is at least irritating that it is not possible getting those fields as corresponding fields in the database view.

    Mainly we talk about those fields as you already say:

    Notes->Headline, Caption->Caption, Keywords->Keywords, Rating->Urgency

    The main reason of my concern about this difference in fields is the wish to synchronize them.
    When I started off with ACDsee I had files with keywords in them mainly for IPTC. After import I statzed with adding keywords in the ACDsee DB. As you suggest I did batch runs DB->IPTC at the end of the day.

    But sometimes it happens that I find myself adding more information to the DB and because they are not mayor changes anymore I don´t write them to file just then. Sooner or later I would like to synchronize DB and IPTC data without the need of going into every folder and looking for changes. I remember my old program IPTC would only look for changes and sync the fields between DB and IPTC and vice versa. They call it combine which gives you the option to combine IPTC with Database and the other way around as well as replayving IPTC with DB and the other way around.

    So far I always had the feeling that with ACDsee I must now what I am doing in order to get fields together.
    In ACDsee in order to get all fields synced I must enter batch IPTC (CTRL + M) and insert every ACDsee DB field in the corresponding IPTC field while leaving the *

    So right now I´m wondering if the only way of getting this done is a batch information set where every IPTC field is filled with the corresponding ACDSEE DB field like (*, <ACD Database:Keywords>)

    Mgt

    Posted On December 16, 2007 - 03:21 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • tve1964
    Member

    It seems that a lot of you use IPTC extensively and regret that the file property pane would not let write metadata in bunch to IPTC.

    I am surprised that no one has mentionned using Photoinfo from Microsoft. It is a free tool for XP users (I think it is standard in Vista). With it you can select as many files as desired and set IPTC info for all of them simultaneously (Eidit as a collection).

    For those who may not know, one of the beauties of ACDSee is how well it integrates into Windows. If you Ctr+Right click after selecting the images in ACDSee, you can access the right click menu of Windows Explorer. ANd there you can find Photoinfo (only problem is that the photo info window is hidden behind ACDSee so you have to iconize Pro2 to see it).

    To install Photoinfo, just go to Microsoft site to download.

    Is this causing some problems (I don' used IPTC so much)?? I haven't seen a problem in my small scale tests (but I did notice that the urgency field is defaulted at 5 in Photo Info; caution).

    Posted On December 16, 2007 - 04:25 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • moongate
    Moderator

    tve1964 said:

    It seems that a lot of you use IPTC extensively and regret that the file property pane would not let write metadata in bunch to IPTC.

    It is true that the pane is not showing IPTC anymore as soon as you select more than one file at a time.*

    I am surprised that no one has mentionned using Photoinfo from Microsoft. It is a free tool for XP users (I think it is standard in Vista). With it you can select as many files as desired and set IPTC info for all of them simultaneously (Eidit as a collection).

    *The reason for this is that mass IPTC takes time and is also arranged as a batch function in many other applications i.e. Thumbsplus. But the same is true for ACDsee pro 2 you just need to select the files and press CTRL + M. If you get used to this IPTC menu I don´t see the need of using another application. I like this function of ACDsee a lot.

    Also adding metadata to the ACDsee DB is fast. Doing the same to IPTC is slow. Maybe that is the reason for the missing view in the properties pane.

    For those who may not know, one of the beauties of ACDSee is how well it integrates into Windows. If you Ctr+Right click after selecting the images in ACDSee, you can access the right click menu of Windows Explorer.
    Thank you for this shortcut

    Mgt

    Posted On December 16, 2007 - 06:33 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    tve1964 said:

    I am surprised that no one has mentionned using Photoinfo from Microsoft. It is a free tool for XP users (I think it is standard in Vista).

    Actually, I think you have to install it on Vista too, at least in some versions. But it is indeed free.

    Is this causing some problems (I don't used IPTC so much)?? I haven't seen a problem in my small scale tests (but I did notice that the urgency field is defaulted at 5 in Photo Info; caution).

    I recall having heard rumors of "bad things" that Photoinfo would do when used to update IPTC info - like clearing the contents of certain fields or something like that. Of course, ACDSee is also known to have similar issues, but on a much smaller scale (just the lens info as far as I know, although the previous build at least may have also had issues with ISO and/or WB for some cameras in some situations). It seems I initially read about issues with Photoinfo elsewhere, then read some further discussion of this here on the ACDSee forum, but didn't see what I thought I remembered reading when I just tried searching. Could still be worth looking into before doing *too* much with it. But in general, I'm all in favor of using other (especially free!) utilities to address the limitations in ACDSee, and an IPTC editor that integrates really well with ACDSee would be a great thing for a lot of people.

    Although one limitation I run into when invoking other applications from ACDSee is that the command line appears to get cut off after a certain number of characters. No matter how many files I select, only the first 29 (I think) actually get operated on when I invoke ExifTool or the Adone DNG Converter. I don't know how much of that is an inherent to Windows and how much is an arbitrary limitation imposed by ACDSee, but it would be nice to see that addressed, too.

    Posted On December 17, 2007 - 11:48 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

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