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How to find Processed (RAW) Images?

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  • murech
    Member

    Hello,

    I'm new to this forum (just posted a reply this morning) and the first thing I did was to search the forum to see if this issue had been previously addressed. I could only find these two threads that somewhat address the issue of identifying and finding RAW Processed images:

    http://community.acdsee.com/forums/topic/raw-processed-picture-tagmark
    http://community.acdsee.com/forums/topic/more-info-for-the-thumbnails-in-raw-processing

    I agree that an icon or checkmark on thumbnails (similarly to Lightroom badges that indicate if an image has been adjusted and/or cropped) would help to visually identify processed images without having to select them one by one and look at the status bar to see if it shows [Processed] next to the file name or if the "Revert RAW Processing" option is enabled in toolbar or menu.

    And I am talking about RAW, but in 2.5 you can now save original of non-RAW images when you edit them. How can you tell if a non-RAW has been processed and if the original is available? Unless I have missed something I think the only way is to select each thumbnail and see if the Tools/Restore Original menu option is enabled.

    Of course I can always create a 'Processed' category, or keyword, and assign it manually when I edit an image. But what if I forget to do so? Or what about the hundreds of processed Raw images I already have? Don't you think that a powerful organiser as ACDSee is, with a powerful database, capable of managing so many manual and automatic categories, with powerful searches, etc., should be able to somehow easily show or filter Processed (or unprocessed) images?

    I really believe this should be a wish list item for next version, and that should be fairly easy for developers to implement it. Anybody agree?

    Meanwhile, does anybody know of a workaround I could use?

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    Best regards,
     
    Miguel

    Posted On October 11, 2008 - 03:54 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • graydon
    Member

    I agree... when just looking at the folder level thumbs of raws... I don't see any way to tell where I stopped processing images.

     

    A little icon on the thumbnail would be good for me.

    Posted On October 13, 2008 - 12:47 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • NA
    Inactive

    Hi

    In the browser,

    1. select view/tiles

    2. then select view/choose details..

    3. choose the following items:

    a) EXIF: Image: Date/time original

    b) File properties: Accessed date

    and place the two over/under each other.

    4. In the tiles, you will now see both dates. If they differ, most likely you have processed them in some manner.

    Some day, hopefully we will be able to build and save a search to display all unprocessed files:

         Accessed Date = Date/time original

    Until then I hope you will find this helpful

    Cheers

    Posted On October 27, 2008 - 04:20 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • murech
    Member

    lmogens said:

    4. In the tiles, you will now see both dates. If they differ, most likely you have processed them in some manner.

    ...

    Until then I hope you will find this helpful

    Thanks for the suggestion and for trying to help but it doesn't work. First, because in most of my photos  (all I have looked at) the two dates are different no matter if they are processed or not. But even if the date difference really meant processed, I would have to look  to thousands of tiles one by one.

    Thanks anyway.

    Posted On October 28, 2008 - 12:37 AM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • NA
    Inactive

    Here's another one for you to try out:

    I noticed one difference in the properties of ACDSee raw-processed vs. unprocessed images, the EXIF/Camera/Reference black/white data item.

    So I built a search "Reference black/white is 0" and it returns all files cataloged, which have a XMP sidecar file, i.e. raw-processed files. Saved the  search and called it "Raw-processed", plus antother "Raw-unprocessed": "Reference black/white is not 0"

    I haven't the foggiest idea what reference black/white means in this context, but if it solves the problem at hand, why should we care.

    Regards, Mogens

    Posted On October 28, 2008 - 04:13 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • murech
    Member

    lmogens said:

    Here's another one for you to try out:

    I noticed one difference in the properties of ACDSee raw-processed vs. unprocessed images, the EXIF/Camera/Reference black/white data item.

    So I built a search "Reference black/white is 0" and it returns all files cataloged, which have a XMP sidecar file, i.e. raw-processed files. Saved the  search and called it "Raw-processed", plus antother "Raw-unprocessed": "Reference black/white is not 0"

    I haven't the foggiest idea what reference black/white means in this context, but if it solves the problem at hand, why should we care.

    Regards, Mogens

    I'm sorry to disappoint you but it doesn't work. At first I thought you were right but, after building the searches and looking in more detail,  I found that it doesn't work. At least here.

    While it is true that all processed images show a Reference black/white = 0, the opposite is not true. There are many images with Reference black/white = 0 that are still unprocessed (or with reverted RAW processing).

    It is certainly true that if I process a RAW image (Nikon NEF, in my case) that has a non-zero Reference black/white, it will be set to 0 as soon as I do some processing on it. But, sadly, and as I say above, there are many umprocessed images with Reference black/white = 0.

    Anyway, thanks for trying.

    Miguel

    Posted On October 29, 2008 - 03:57 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • NA
    Inactive

    The title of the thread is " How to find Processed (RAW) Images".

    I now understand that a solution must also take into account that you may choose to revert processing, a scenario for which I have no solution.

    But why discard a partial workaround to go around waiting for an all singing/all dancing solution?

    Posted On October 29, 2008 - 04:54 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    Miguel

    Not sure how important an interim solution is to you but whenever you raw process an image, an xmp metadata tag called Rpp is created under the 'heading' xmp-acdsee.  This tag (appears) to contain all the current settings of raw processing (in a single tag - it's huge!) and the tag is not, of course, present in xmp block when no raw processing has been done.

    I don't know what your abilities are in terms of using something like exiftool (certainly not my forte) but I know of a couple of people on this forum who might step in and show how it might populate 2.5.

     

    Posted On October 29, 2008 - 05:05 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    Miguel

    Sorry - forget my last - it, of course, retains the xmp tag when you revert to unprocessed state

    Posted On October 29, 2008 - 05:23 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Louiscar
    Member

    Sam Dring said:

    Miguel

    Not sure how important an interim solution is to you but whenever you raw process an image, an xmp metadata tag called Rpp is created under the 'heading' xmp-acdsee.  This tag (appears) to contain all the current settings of raw processing (in a single tag - it's huge!) and the tag is not, of course, present in xmp block when no raw processing has been done.

    I don't know what your abilities are in terms of using something like exiftool (certainly not my forte) but I know of a couple of people on this forum who might step in and show how it might populate 2.5.

     Sorry to jump in here, but I thought it worth mentioning that after some initial experimentation with Exiftools, I found it possible to use both the Acdsee and LR sidecar xmp files to write the RAW processing information directly to the raw file. This means that if you use either or both apps, it's possible to do away with sidcar files altogether.

    However, I've discovered some odd behaviour by Lightroom on this subject. If you generate an xmp file after an Acdsee session where RAW processing has taken place, LR will actually reset all values in xmp:acdsee Rpp to 0. I've yet to find out why it should fiddle with this field at all. Strange behaviour but can be got around by copying the field from the acdsee xmp to the LR xmp before using exiftools to copy to the file.

     

     

     

    Posted On November 14, 2008 - 06:31 PM (1 year ago) (Permalink to this post)

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