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  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    Seem to remember this being raised before but can't find post (or answer)
    I Catalogue Files (My Pictures) fairly regularly but have noticed that since latest Pro 2:

    1. Cat-ing the files (Database>Cat Files) does NOT obviate the need to open a folder and let Pro go through its processes (% indicator bottom right)
    2. Cat the files, then try cat-ing again without changes and whereas on previous versions it would whip through a few thousand in a couple of shakes, it does each image again.

    I should add that I do not store any information in the Pro dbase other than exif & iptc which is in the file or xmp so when latest release came out, I deleted all dbase info and did a clean install

    Anyone else notice this please?

    Posted On July 16, 2007 - 01:48 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • tve1964
    Member

    samdring said:

    Seem to remember this being raised before but can't find post (or answer)
    I Catalogue Files (My Pictures) fairly regularly but have noticed that since latest Pro 2:

    1. Cat-ing the files (Database>Cat Files) does NOT obviate the need to open a folder and let Pro go through its processes (% indicator bottom right)
    2. Cat the files, then try cat-ing again without changes and whereas on previous versions it would whip through a few thousand in a couple of shakes, it does each image again.

    I should add that I do not store any information in the Pro dbase other than exif & iptc which is in the file or xmp so when latest release came out, I deleted all dbase info and did a clean install

    Anyone else notice this please?


    I noticed this yesterday. Cataloguing does create the thumnails (it ran for 12 hours on my db with lots of RAWs), but yet when browsing it rebuilds. I thought it was because I had high quality turned on. Maybe the cataloguing way does not create them with the best quality which could explain it then recreates them if you have that turned on. With my other pbs I haven't dug into that one.

    Posted On July 16, 2007 - 05:53 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    samdring said:

    1. Cat-ing the files (Database>Cat Files) does NOT obviate the need to open a folder and let Pro go through its processes (% indicator bottom right)

    I never actually do an explicit catalog operation. When I visit a folder the first time, it does its thing as usual. When I revisit it later, it does not redo this work.

    Is there something specific you are trying to accomplish with the explicit cataloging operation? What happens if you let ACDSee do it's thing (to completion) and then revisit the folder?

    Posted On July 16, 2007 - 10:02 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • tve1964
    Member

    A file can't be searched (therefound retreived) if is hasn't been catalogued, as you know. 2 ways to catalogue: browsing, and that means an extra time when you open the folder the first time, or the command Sam refers to, a batch process.
    If one has browsed all existing directories and does not intend to search on the new fields added in Pro (auto categories), then cataloguing will bring nothing, from what I understand. In my case I figured that if those autocategories were going to be useful, I might as well have my full database up to date.

    Posted On July 17, 2007 - 04:28 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    tve
    Spot on (I think Marc missed my point) - as I said I did a clean install of all my images, I naturally went to Cat Files only to find that having done that I still had to open EVERY one of many hundreds of folders in order the get the images 'in'.
    I don't have high quality selected.

    Posted On July 17, 2007 - 05:07 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    tve1964 said:

    A file can't be searched (therefound retreived) if is hasn't been catalogued, as you know. 2 ways to catalogue: browsing, and that means an extra time when you open the folder the first time, or the command Sam refers to, a batch process.

    Understood. And I can see why you'd do this once if you're starting from scratch. It isn't clear to me why you'd ever do it again, though. Unless you are adding files to your system in some way other than via ACDSee, and for whatever reaosn, don't then immediately browse to the folder you have added the images to.

    Anyhow, I didn't mean to imply there was no reason - just trying to understand the workflow that leads to the problem, because as I said, in my own workflow, the problem does not occur.

    Posted On July 17, 2007 - 10:35 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    Marc Sabatella said:

    Understood. And I can see why you'd do this once if you're starting from scratch. It isn't clear to me why you'd ever do it again, though.

    Marc
    Many reasons for me why I have to do it quite regularly e.g. scanning old negatives. Pro not capable of adding the lens type to the file which is present in all my images, so is done in another app. Last weekend, for example, finished some scanning which produced half a dozen or so new folders.
    Another example which must hit everyone is if you change the size of the thumbs even only marginally you have to re-cat the whole dbase or enter each folder separately.

    However, I stray from the real point which is that previously Cat-ing files did the whole bag of tricks and now does not do so.

    Posted On July 17, 2007 - 02:00 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    samdring said:

    Another example which must hit everyone is if you change the size of the thumbs even only marginally you have to re-cat the whole dbase or enter each folder separately.

    I remember encountering this a while back. I never change change sizes now. Although it still seems there would no *need* to do the operation explicitly - you could wait until you actually do revisit the folder.

    Anyhow, I do realize this is (mostly) beside the point. But actually, it might not be, because when I just tried, I can't reproduce the problem you described. To wit: I cataloged My Pictures, whose subfolders I hadn't visited since installing beta 2. When I was done, I visited the folders, and everything was instant as expected.

    So it seems there may well be some sort of workflow-related difference here. I am still curious - once you've let ACDSee do its thing on entering the folder, does it *still* need to do it again next time you visit? If not, what happens if you then re-cat - does this trigger the need for ACDSee to spin its wheels again next time you visit, even if nothing has changed? Sounds like perhaps this is what you were saying in #2 in your original post, but I'm not sure if you meant that you actually visited the folder and let ACDSee do what it needed to between your ctwo cataloging operations.

    Anyhow, I have no idea where I'm going with this - I'm just trying to help poke around, looking for something to explain the differences betwene what you see and what I see.

    Posted On July 17, 2007 - 09:18 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    Marc

    Thanks for 'poking around' - it helps. I appear not to be alone as TVE said I noticed this yesterday. Cataloguing does create the thumnails (it ran for 12 hours on my db with lots of RAWs), but yet when browsing it rebuilds.

    So it may be another of those issues which some people experience and others not. Once I have entered a folder, re-loading Pro retains the 'build' with no problems but it's the Cat files option which is not working for me as it did previously.

    Even though I have now opened many folders and let it re-build, Cat files still goes laboriously through every image and will do so again if I re-cat files immediately after completion of the previous pass.

    You said you could wait until you actually do revisit the folder but that loses all the speed advantage Pro brings over other apps - I much prefer the old way, as TVE, to cat files overnight once a week or so depending on level of changes.

    Posted On July 18, 2007 - 04:23 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • tve1964
    Member

    For what it's worth, I hadn't done a Db Optimize in some time and definetly not after I had moved from Pro 1 to Pro2 b2. After I did so yesterday opening folders is much much quicker. So although I felt I experienced the same now I guess I can't say that anymore.

    Maybe worth trying an Optimize Sam.

    Posted On July 18, 2007 - 12:31 PM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

  • Sam Dring
    Moderator

    TVE
    Thanks but done both Optimize and Maintenance with no change - annoying!

    Posted On July 19, 2007 - 07:38 AM (2 years ago) (Permalink to this post)

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