ACDSee has encountered a system error and will close now...

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  • harrykim
    Member

    Hey I've been getting this error for a long time now and I don't know what it is. I was getting it in Windows Vista and now I'm getting it with Windows 7 as well and on two different computers. The only one thing I'm doing that might be causing it is I have usually 3 or 4 ACDSee windows open at one time and I drag files between them. It will work for about 15 or 20 minutes and then either they just all close with no error message, or I get the error message "ACDSee has encountered a system error and will close now" or a weird one:  "a required resource was". I sometimes get warnings that it will crash because some of the folders in the viewer disappear and I don't see previews for any images and the folder/location bar turns white.

    After this happens sometimes when I try to open up ACDSee it will sit there with the Windows blue circle "waiting" thing and when I click on the program it goes grey and says "not responding"...then after a minute it might kick in.

    With both computers and operating systems I've tried uninstalling and re-installing, removing the database files. Also I notice when going to a folder with say a few hundred pictures it pauses the program and has that percentage queue on the bottom right of the windows 10% etc...I'd like it to stop pre-scanning every folder I go into.

    Thanks for any help!! :) 

    Posted On October 5, 2009 - 01:43 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Miles500
    Member

    I too am getting constant error messages saying that the program has encountered an error and will close.  I have tried 3 of the four fixes listed in an answer somewhere on these forums.  I am loath to try the fourth as it deletes all the database information which I spent so many hours in creating.  I think that the program is terrific and much prefer it to Photoshop elements.  I would have upgraded without question if I were not worried that version 3 would be equally or even more unstable. It does seem to me that the company owes us some proper guidance on how to fix the instability in relation to Windows Vista.

    Posted On October 6, 2009 - 05:15 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    Assuming the fourth suggestion is to to delete you database/catalog folder, I'd suggest simply renaming it, which has the same effect but of course doens't delete anything.  Then you can at least see if that is the source of the problem.  If not, you can go back to trying to solve the problem by other means (have you tried contacting Support?).  If rename the db does allow ACDSee to start, well, then at least source of the problem is known.  You can then experiment with maybe copying in just "some" of the files from the original db to the new one ACDSee will have created.  Someone recently reported success using this method, although I forget which files she copied.

    BTW, regarding 3.0 - you can of course install the free trial to see how it works for you.  I'm finding it rather more stable than 2.5 was.

    Posted On October 7, 2009 - 06:02 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Miles500
    Member

    Thanks Marc for those suggestions.  I have yet to try renaming the database, but have downloaded 3.0 as a trial. I was surprised at how different this new version looks but it seems to have all the functionality of the old one with extras which I have yet to explore. Of course only by using it fairly extensively will I get an idea of how stable it is.  This in turn raises the question of whether I shall lose all the work done in version 3 if I later revert to version 2.  I was surprised to find that version 3 still does not include RAW support for the Pentax K7 whereas Adobe seems to have managed to include it in 5.4 issued even before the camera was generally available.

    Posted On October 13, 2009 - 10:05 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    Miles500 said:

    This in turn raises the question of whether I shall lose all the work done in version 3 if I later revert to version 2.

    You would unless you take steps to avoid this.  RAW processing - or any processing done in the non-destructive Develop mode - won't carry back.  But if you do keywording and so forth, you should be able to write that out to IPTC and/or XMP and then read it back in with 2.0 - I did that regularly during the beta testing.

    I was surprised to find that version 3 still does not include RAW support for the Pentax K7 whereas Adobe seems to have managed to include it in 5.4 issued even before the camera was generally available.

    that;'s because Pentax sends samples to Adobe before they release their cameras (I hear the K-x is already supported by Adobe too, even though it hasn't actually hit the streets yet).

    Posted On October 14, 2009 - 03:40 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Camron
    Member

    I am very dissapointed with the support for my Acdsee product, and I am too am having problems with ADCSEE Pro 2.5 crashing constantly.  I have not recieved a working solution other than delete the corrupt database. I'm extremely hesitant to upgrade to version 3 due to the number of crashing problems I have with ACDSEE Pro 2.5, and lack of support base I've recieved with this version.

    I have contacted and recieved support from ACDsystems saying a new patch will be provided, and have got the general support letter about the database being corrupt, but other than a unworking soltion, acdsee still continues to crash constantly. 

    I have formatted my pc, installed acdsee only on the system, with a fresh database and still withing 5 minutes Acdsee was crashing again.  While it varies, I would say approximately 3 in 5 times I open the software the crash occurs, and also while working maybe randomly between 10-40 minutes using the software.  This is a software error not a database error, as support blames it on. 

    Working in IT/Photography industry for the last 15 years, and have never been so dissapointed in a software package and no longer can reccomend the software which I used to promote in a large way.

    Acdsee 2.5 should be patched properly or a free upgrade to 3.0 should be offered to correct an unstable predecessor application.

    Camron

    Posted On October 14, 2009 - 02:40 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • stingray
    Member

    Camron said:

    I am very dissapointed with the support for my Acdsee product, and I am too am having problems with ADCSEE Pro 2.5 crashing constantly.  I have not recieved a working solution other than delete the corrupt database. I'm extremely hesitant to upgrade to version 3 due to the number of crashing problems I have with ACDSEE Pro 2.5, and lack of support base I've recieved with this version.

    I have contacted and recieved support from ACDsystems saying a new patch will be provided, and have got the general support letter about the database being corrupt, but other than a unworking soltion, acdsee still continues to crash constantly. 

    I have formatted my pc, installed acdsee only on the system, with a fresh database and still withing 5 minutes Acdsee was crashing again.  While it varies, I would say approximately 3 in 5 times I open the software the crash occurs, and also while working maybe randomly between 10-40 minutes using the software.  This is a software error not a database error, as support blames it on. 

    Working in IT/Photography industry for the last 15 years, and have never been so dissapointed in a software package and no longer can reccomend the software which I used to promote in a large way.

    Acdsee 2.5 should be patched properly or a free upgrade to 3.0 should be offered to correct an unstable predecessor application.

    Camron

    I have gained some Insite into the problem we are going thru.

    Next time you are using the program open up task manager(CTL+ALT+DEL) and choose processes.  While opening up folders notice how ACDSEE uses memory.  It is interesting and I have noted that if you minimize the program the memory goes back to less than 5 MG.  After opening up several folders I either close the program or minimize it and this seems to keep the program from crashing and, as you know, taking five min. to open again with the hard drive spinning and almost locking up the system. 

    It seems, and I am no real expert, that the problem is "how" the program "uses" memory..it seems to be completely random and not really depending on how big the folder is.

    Stingray

    Posted On October 14, 2009 - 03:22 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Miles500
    Member

    I am not expert enough on the inner technicalities of a PC's working to say whether the problem is a corrupt database or memory related, but I am inclined to think that Stingray is on to something.  I have watched the task memory window and have noted that raw conversions, especially where there is some cropping, are fairly memory hungry.  I also note that my computer has all manner of other processes working at the same time so I wonder whether it may become all too much in certain circumstances.  Would it help to adjust the memory settings in Windows?  Does the program fail to release the RAM previously used at some point? I am afraid I do not have a clue on these things.

    It is however clear to me that the problems which we are having, ought to be addressed by ACDSee and without delay.  Even if the problem is due to database corruption of some sort, it must result from some sort of vulnerability on the part of the database which ACDSee has created and marketed.  There are after all quite a lot of us out there who have reported the same problem and this is a problem which simply does not occur with other databases  which we use.  Nor can it be the fault of Vista ( often blamed for everything) as I have found it so far to be the most stable operating system I have had.  One would have thought that ACDSee would keep an eye on this forum which is a fairly cheap source of market research for them and it also brings to their attention any bugs which may arise.  If they are interested in improving their market share, one might have supposed that they would try to keep people like us happy when it is quite clear that there is a major problem with the stability of their product.  After all those of us who post on forums ( which are widely read such as DPReview) are likely to give an honest account of the experience with a product when the topic comes up.  For my own part since discovering ACDSee Pro 2.5 I have up until now praised it very highly for its unique features but when I consulted other members on a possible upgrade to version 3, the opinion was not to touch it because of possible stability problems.Clearly the program is getting a bad name and it is such a shame as it is a GREAT program but for its stability. Asking people to delete their database and start another seems to me to be madness as one would lose all the categories and ratings which have taken hours to formulate and with no guarantee that a new database would not also become 'corrupted'  I have so far not used my trial version of version 3 extensively enough to know whether it is prone to the same crashes as its predecessor.  Even at the concessionary price for existing users, the upgrade is not cheap and after having ACDSee 2.5 for only a few weeks it is disappointing to feel that only an upgrade to version 3 is likely to resolve the matter.  Of course ACDSee could give a free upgrade to registered users of 2.5 and this would save them the trouble and expense of issuing a patch for 2.5.  I guess it would also be helpful to have some idea of the timescale for issuing a patch for 2.5.

     

    Posted On October 14, 2009 - 06:31 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • LV_Bill
    Member

    I also agree that Stingray is on to something re: memory as a contributor to this issue.  As soon as I upgraded to 4gb of Ram, no more crashes - even with multiple ACDSee's running.  Also, I've found that starting several ACDSee's simultaneously can induce crashes.  A "staggered start" definitely works better.

    Mile500s said:   when I consulted other members on a possible upgrade to version 3, the opinion was not to touch it because of possible stability problems.

    Here, I must respectfully disagree.  I have a long list of issues with Pro3, but stability is not one of them.  Again, maybe my 4gb of Ram is masking an issue, but as a very long-time ACD user, I have found Pro3 to be very solid in the stability department.

    FWIW, Bill

    Posted On October 14, 2009 - 07:01 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Miles500
    Member

    Bill,

    I am really pleased to hear that version 3 is stable.  I was simply reporting what others had said to me and as I said, I have not had version 3 (on trial) long enough to evaluate whether it is stable on my computer.  I have only 2GB Ram. Maybe I will look at adding some more RAM - the manufacturer of my computer reckons that Vista 32 bit can only use 2GB but maybe that is not true.  That is maybe something that ACDSee should investigate.

    Posted On October 14, 2009 - 11:02 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • LV_Bill
    Member

    My understanding is that 3gb Ram is operable under x32.  The jump to 4gb requires x64.

    Posted On October 15, 2009 - 01:21 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • stingray
    Member

    I forgot to add that I am using x/p and 4 gigs of ram with a 4 core processer and it still crashes...(and xp will use 4 gigs)

    Posted On October 15, 2009 - 02:53 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • LV_Bill
    Member

    Stingray -   Are your crashes consistent and repeatable?  If you get one, can you turn around and try again and have it then work okay?  I ask this because I have found that ACDSee seems to be most vulnerable when it's loading.  Something it's doing can conflict with other things running, especially other copies of itself.

    Posted On October 15, 2009 - 02:58 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • stingray
    Member

    I have had 2.5 for about two months...if going to 3 will solve the problem fine but they should give me a full refund for 2.5 if I plan to go to 3.  A 97 dollar discount would Be the right thing to do if they have a "right thing to do" attitude.

     

    Stingray is pissed!!

    Posted On October 15, 2009 - 03:01 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Miles500
    Member

    I have had 2.5 only since the end of July this year and very much agree with Stingray about the right thing being to refund the cost of 2,5 but somehow I doubt that it is going to happen.  Of course we are eligible for the discount for existing users - I am not sure what this is and how it compares to the price to users of other ACDSee software.

    Posted On October 15, 2009 - 04:43 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • LV_Bill
    Member

    Stingray -   Passing this PC trivia along just for your information.  Thought you might like to know.

    It turns out that 32-bit processors steal the upper memory addresses for so-called PCI memory.  PCI uses the addresses starting down from 4 GB for things like the BIOS, IO cards, networking, PCI hubs, and video graphics cards. 

    Even though you can install 4gb and have physical memory near the 4gb boundry, your 32-bit processor can't access it, because PCI memory has stolen the addresses.  So, the "practical limit" is actually about 3gb.

    FYI, Bill

    Posted On October 15, 2009 - 06:31 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    Miles500 said:

    Bill,

    I am really pleased to hear that version 3 is stable.  I was simply reporting what others had said to me

    I suspect what you are seeing is that every version of every product has bugs that only affect a small number of people, but the people whom those bugs naturally affect will perceive the product as unstable.  It's difficult if not impossible for any one user to put into perspective just how widespread the problems might be, but spend enough time here in the forums and you might get some sense

    I for one haven't seen the problems described here on 2.5, but I do perceive it crashed and hung much more often than other versions of ACDSee, and probably more often than "average" across all applications I used.  Nothing that prevented me from getting work done with it, though - on restart, all was well again every time.  Between other people reporting the same thing (relatively frequent but "harmless" crashes or hangs), and a small number of people for whom 2.5 just would not work at all for some reason, I definitely get an impression of Pro 2.5 being less "stable" than most versions, although certainly perfectly usable for most.

    Pro 3.0 hasn't really been out long enough to get that kind of perspective.  My personal experience is that it crashes or hangs *much less often* than 2.5 did, so my first instinct would be to call it *much more stable* than 2.5.  I certainly see that others are having issues getting up and running, although it's still kind of hard to get a handle on how much of that is just because, as a new product, it has seen a disproportionate number of new installations in the past few weeks.  But at this early stage, I would say my read of the forums suggests 3.0 is indeed more stable overall than 2.5 was - not that is any consolation to the people who are being affected by whatever bugs there are.

    Anyhow, regarding getting 2.5 running better, I don't know what other kind of advice support has given, but my standard tricks for resolving db problems (occasionally my own, but more often ones others have reported here) include

    [ first, back up db by simply making a copy of the folder ]

    - Optimize db and try again

    - If that doesn't help, rename db folder, restart acdsee so it starts with a new empty db, then copy files from the old db into the new to see if you can get it to a working state (seems potentially scary, but there's nothing to lose since you're keeping your original, and it *has* proven effective surprisingly often)

    - If that doesn't help, and you've been religiously embedding all your db info into your files (using "batch set information" to write to iptc or "embed database information" to write to xmp), then go back to the empty db and run Catalog Files over all your images to rebuild the db

    - If you don't have your db info embeded, or if that didn't help, return to original db, export entire db to a text file,  again get acdsee to restart with a new empty db, and import that text file, then run Catalog Files as necessary to rebuild thumbs

    Pretty much withut fail anyone who has tried all these steps meets success somewhere along the way.  Good luck!

    Posted On October 16, 2009 - 04:18 PM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Camron
    Member

    Hi Marc, I have read your post and find that being in the IT industry I install ACDSEE on many many systems, I have approximately 15 clients or so that use the software - spread over probably 30-40 different computer systems, and a wide range of computer systems, from XP-Vista/64 bit systems, even one running on server 2003, systems with 1gb or ram right up to 8gb.  I also have a bit of variety of the version of acdsee (certainly not everybody uses pro) both the 200X  and 2.5 seem to share the instability problems, whereas 2.0 have virtually no problems.  Most clients would update when a new version came out as they liked the software and it should be better than the last.  Now to have the latest versions be unstable.

    I have had problems across almost all clients, so it's not a small problem in my opinion.  In trying to diagnose the problems I have tried every above fix on more than one occasion, and also with a clean pc/ clean install, with nothing but ACDSEE and required system drivers, and have got crashes happening with a clean photo database.

    My current solution to my clients is to close the program and start again - something that should not be required so often.

    As I said, I don't reccomend your product anymore.  I've never had a problem with the features of ACDSEE, only it's stability.  I have put in requests about this over a year ago and that got nowhere, I was even told at one point a update was coming out that will fix the issue, inwhich I re-installed the pc again when it did not work.

    I believe while I may have nowhere near as large a test base as you state, almost all of them wit the newer version at some point that has trouble with stability issues, I'm sure the others just do not bother to tell me and continue on with their work, or may not use the software as much as others.

    I also read the posts about memory and do not believe that is a concern, although minimising it seems weird I have not witnessed this myself .  Memory growth is normal for most applications and I see no significate memory changes on my system.

    Picture this, you have just reccomended a client to use this software for viewing photos, aswell as quickly doing small changes to them and maybe organizing their photos.  you set it up and your showing them how to use the software after installation and every 5 minutes it crashes,  while trying to work on the software, sometimes on first load up it crashes, then you reload to have it crash again, and at times even a third time, then the software works flawlessly for 45 minutes.

    In my eyes - it's a flaw in the software that should have been corrected, I'm sure you don't hear from your client base every time Acdsee crashes also.

    Regards

    Camron

    Posted On October 20, 2009 - 10:37 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Marc Sabatella
    Moderator

    Camron said:

    I also have a bit of variety of the version of acdsee (certainly not everybody uses pro) both the 200X  and 2.5 seem to share the instability problems, whereas 2.0 have virtually no problems.

    Like I said, that's my impression too - 2.5 was noticeably less stable than other releases.

    Now to have the latest versions be unstable.

    Are you saying you are finding 3.0 less stable than 2.5 in your environment?  That would surprise me.  If that is the case, that would certainly good information to report to Support!  But I get the impression that you probably haven't installed 3.0 yet, in which case, we're not in disagreement at all - again, I agree 2.5 was relatively unstable.  I'm just pointing out I find 3.0 much more stable - it's more like 2.0 in that respect.

    As I said, I don't reccomend your product anymore.

    Note it's not "my" product.  I'm just another fellow user.

    I also read the posts about memory and do not believe that is a concern, although minimising it seems weird I have not witnessed this myself .  Memory growth is normal for most applications and I see no significate memory changes on my system.

    Posted On October 21, 2009 - 01:46 AM (1 month ago) (Permalink to this post)
  • Miles500
    Member

    Having corresponded with Support on the subject of instability of 2.5 and camera raw updates to 2.5, it has been made clear to me that there will be no further updates or patches and updates to version 3 are not guaranteed, certainly not within any definate timescale - if at all.  I have written to support in the following terms:

    "Thanks very much for your reply which is a clear one but also very disappointing.

    I can live with the instability of version 2.6, annoying though it is.

    Other software producers ( ie Adobe) continue to support their products for some years and Adobe Camera Raw is a case in point.  It had Pentax K7 support some months ago and updates are available to me as a user of Elements 6 even though this is no longer the current version.  I have only had ACDSee Pro 2.5 _since July 2009_ and it seems quite wrong that after so little use of the program I now find that I can not use RAW files on my Pentax K7 which effectively renders the program next to useless and all I can do is to convert to JPEG in another program if I want to apply the excellent features of ACDSee pro 2.5  The database is another excellent feature which is now useless for all new RAW files and therefore I not only have to look elsewhere for a comprehensive catalogue of my many thousands of photos but I have also wasted time and effort in organising and tagging these photos.

    I know that I can upgrade to version 3  which recognises .DNG files but even then you can not guarantee that there will be any support for .PEF files taken with the K7.  I know that as a user of 2.5 I am entitled to a concessionary price but this still amounts to rather more than I paid for 2.5 in the first place so I shall not consider an upgrade in these circumstances.  The obvious solution would be for you to offer a free ( or very much reduced cost upgrade) to 2.5 users who have registered say within the last 6 months.

    Acdsee pro is a great program which deserves to be more widely known and used, but it is difficult to have confidence in a company which neglects its customer support so badly in terms of upgrading its product to cater for new cameras which are constantly coming to market.  I am afraid that I am  now much more likely to spend my money on upgrading Adobe Elements which I know will be updated as often as necessary over a reasonable period of time.

    I would be grateful if you would bring this e-mail to the attention of your manager in the hope that someone in your company might realise that commercial success is linked to the trust placed in the company by its customers.  I trusted ACDSee when I bought 2.5 and feel very let down. "

    Well at least it made me feel better but I will probably put any further investment in photo software in the direction of Adobe!!

    Posted On October 23, 2009 - 03:33 PM (4 weeks ago) (Permalink to this post)

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